The Incredible Healing Power of Manuka Honey with Mike Everly
Manuka is arguably the world’s most expensive honey and is becoming more popular by the minute. Most people love honey because of it’s natural sweetness and seeming ability to make just about anything taste good, but manuka honey is renowned for it’s more practical uses and healing properties. Never heard of it? Well that’s okay, you will soon. It’s most popularly known for it’s uses in wound care, but also has many immune boosting properties if taken internally.
Meet Mike:
On this week’s episode we talk to a true expert about manuka honey, Mike Everly, founder of Bees and Trees Manuka Honey. Mike started Bees and Trees after living in New Zealand from 2009-2012. They produce small batch, unblended, pure manuka honey from hive straight to jar. Mike walks us through some of the basics when selecting a honey, how it works to heal the body, and how you can use it to help limit illness and infection.
Some Topics We Discussed:
What is manuka honey and what are the benefits of it? (4:49)
Can you take manuka honey as a preventative measure? (8:15)
What is the recommended dosage? (10:03)
How can manuka honey be used topically? (11:43)
How is manuka honey able to do what regular honey cannot? (13:32)
How do you pick a high quality manuka honey product? (14:54)
Is it safe for children? (20:26)
Key Takeaways From This Episode:
Manuka honey is only produced in New Zealand from bees foraging on Manuka trees. (5:25)
Manuka honey contains a potent, broad spectrum of antibacterial and anti-inflammatory properties. (5:43)
It’s a great preventative measure as well as an acute response when you start feeling a bit under the weather. (9:15)
Manuka honey is FDA approved as a wound care product. (11:57)
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Brian Strickland 00:43 Hey everyone, you're listening to The Holistic Navigator Podcast, where we talk about all things holistic health, and believe in the body's ability to heal itself if given the proper nutrients and care. My name is Brian Strickland. I'm the producer of the show. And on today's episode, we'll be talking about the incredible capacity of manuka honey for healing. We've got Mike Everly with us today of Bees and Trees Manuka Honey to walk us through how this works and what to look for when purchasing. So without further ado, here's your host, Ed Jones.
Ed Jones 01:18 Thank you again, Brian. And I'm always excited every Wednesday to do these podcasts. And the reason is, is because I've spent my whole life respecting the healing magic and power of nature. You know, 80% of the world relies on botanical medicines. What is botanical medicines? They are products from the earth, they're far less manipulated, they're whole molecules that we were given for healing. They were placed here for many purposes, one of which was for animals and humans to utilize when they're needing something needing to be, you know, fight some illness or a help to nourish the body. And if you've listened to any my other podcasts, you know, I have my deep respect for this power of nature. I have been involved in natural health and healing for 41 years now and hopefully will continue that for at least a decade or two more. And one of the products that I have relied on off and on because it tends to fall off my radar screen but when it's is back on my radar screen permanently now because of this gentleman that you're going to hear today, Mike Everly as we discuss manuka honey. Now everyone who's listening, don't think manuka honey is just a flavor of honey. It has some properties to it that no other honey does anywhere in the world, and it also has to be harvested in a very special place. So welcome Mike Everly from Bees and Trees Manuka Honey to The Holistic Navigator.
Mike Everly 03:04 Thanks, Ed. It's, it's great to great to be with you this morning and looking forward to sharing information with your audience about manuka honey. And yeah, it's an amazing, amazing product and would love to get into specifics with you.
Ed Jones 03:22 Absolutely. And you know, I only have people on The Holistic Navigator that I resonate with that also fully realize has a similar passion for truth, ethics and the respect of natural health and healing. And you certainly are one of those. I don't know how our paths ended up crossing, but I am appreciative that it did. You know, you were on my radio show, I actually do a radio show sponsored by a hospital, believe it or not, that's wanting to bridge the gap between conventional and more holistic information. So I feel very honored that I was chosen to do that a year and a half ago. When you came on with my partner who's a physician, he was blown away about the research on manuka honey and I'll tell you something, Mike, ever since I really got back into the studies on this. I have lost count of the amount of times I've written and spoke to people that says one of two things. I think you should consider manuka honey because you have some issue and I know it's could be very potentially beneficial. But secondly, I think people should have this in their we used to call medicine cabinet. But in their toolbox at home when you start having an issue, you need these things ready to use, not wait till you need them and then start shopping then finding and delaying and not getting it in time. But let's get back to the meat of this manuka honey. What is it? Why would we want to consider it and tell us some of the potential health benefits of this because I've just finished again this morning looking at Dr. Mercola's website On manuka honey and he has some really good information. And I did interview Dr. Mercola some number of podcasts ago, we had a great conversation. Hope to do that again. But Dr. mercola, and many people are really embracing this. So I'm going to quit rambling Mike and you tell the listeners about manuka honey. Great. And so manuka honey, the word Manuka comes from the native New Zealand flowering Manuka tree. And, for all intents and purposes, manuka honey, Manuka trees only grow in New Zealand and that's where manuka honey comes from. So it's the bees foraging on the nectar of the Manuka tree that is able to produce this honey with these really extraordinary properties. And fundamentally Manuka Honey, it's in a class by itself, world over, it possesses a very potent and a very broad spectrum antibacterial property, as well as anti inflammatory properties. And that's what enables manuka honey to be effective with a host of wellness and healing issues and challenges. So it's a superfood, it can be eaten every day and consumed to boost your immune system, and keep you healthy and keep you strong, as well as a real go to medicine to have on the shelf and be able to draw up on when various things, various things come up. I love that because as we know it, you know, just because something's grown on the earth, and it's natural does not always mean that it's totally safe, but we have to realize that the the dangers of pharmaceuticals, which is very much not spoke about as much I think when these conventional people write prescriptions, it is the third leading cause of death in this country by the New England Journal of Medicine is prescription drugs that are taken properly and prescribed properly. And things like you know, botanicals and and manuka have far better safety record. I know just on Pinterest and on Mercola some of the things they list on here. And of course, we are not saying that you can do this to treat your medical conditions. Check with your conventional people if you are ill, because legally we cannot be prescribing of course, but a lot of the research on PubMed, and anecdotally and historically talks about manuka for things like true staph infections. We all know that the antibiotic resistance is not going away. We have created it by the use of feeding into cows and putting it in our foods and then in prescribing it. And so the bacterias have become resistant to many things. Well guess what people? I don't think the bacteria has seen the power of Manuka ever so when you ingest it, they don't know what to do with it so it can become very effective. It's also acne and SIBO. I talk about SIBO which is small intestinal bowel overgrowth, burns wounds, IBS, sore throats, immunity, allergies, and even says can improve sleep. So if a person Mike wants to, you know, have manuka honey, and they want to do it preventatively, that's okay, right? Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, I'm consuming the manuka honey in my tea, two or three times a day. My wife just likes taking it off the spoon. You know, a teaspoon a day and that is really really good for especially as you get into colds and flu season keeping your defenses up and keeping you from catching the common cold. When I travel back and forth to New Zealand, I always bring some with me you get on an aeroplane on a long flight with that person that's coughing next to you, you want to be able to coat your throat, take a little bit of manuka honey and and effectively inoculate yourself against those germs that are kind of floating around because your system is not going to be able to you know the germs are not going to have a way to bacteria is not going to have a way to take hold in your in your system. So it's great day to day preventively. And then it's also great in response to and and you know, kind of starting with the common cold slash sinus area. If you feel that first tickle coming on in your throat, maybe you sneezed earlier in the day and you think wait a minute, something's I'm headed down a wrong path here. A couple of teaspoons of manuka honey right away like I mean like right away. This is to your point about having this in the medicine toolkit to be able to draw upon can it nine times out of 10 for me knock the cold right out of my system, I'll never get it. In other cases I might get the cold but it will work its way through my system much more quickly, and the symptoms will be much less severe rather than that cold really getting a hold of me and dragging, dragging me down. So you would do preventatively how much per day do you kind of average yourself?
10:08 I would say I'm probably averaging now about between one and two teaspoons, preventively. It used to be a little bit more but as I've changed my diet and become a little bit more keto focused, which I know you mentioned on your podcast, I'm keeping my sugar intakes and balancing it out. And that's where most of my carbs are coming from is my manuka honey.
Ed Jones 10:33 Now, if you were feeling bad, you said you would do two teaspoons at the first sign of this kind of imbalances coming on and then you would you do it two to three times a day at that level?
Mike Everly 10:44 I would do two teaspoons a day just for clarification. So maybe one in the morning Oh, and in the afternoon, and in in kind of response to something like a cold coming on. The other way medicinally with kind of cold and flu season quick approaching now would be to if you have a sinus infection, or if you're prone to sinus infections, diluting about a half a teaspoon of manuka honey in your saline solution that you would use with a neti pot or an a saline rinse. And then using that to rent your sinuses. It is amazing at knocking a sinus infection out without having to resort to antibiotics, which can have we know a lot of other undesirable side effects. So that's one that a lot of people have been learning about and going to. You have to heat up your saline solution to dissolve the honey then let it cool to a comfortable temperature. And trying that I think you'll find it's going to be your go to solution going forward.
Ed Jones 11:43 And the same how like a skin issue? What would you do with that? Yeah, so the wound care applications from manuka honey are really embraced by mainstream medicine. So manuka honey is FDA approved as a wound care product. And it can be applied to any cut, burn, or any type of ulcerated wound that you're having difficulty healing, just put it on the wound bandage it over and really let let nature and that honey do its thing in terms of helping that helping that wound to heal. Well, I am all about the exact details. So if you put it on a wound, would you change that every 24 hours? Or how would you do this? You You can I would normally change when I've used it that way about every day, you know, once every day. If it's a sensitive area that is you know, prone to, you know, you don't want to disturb it, you want to leave it longer, you can definitely leave it. I would say two or three days before changing the changing the dressing. But we've anecdotally heard some amazing results. We've read stories, there's been research, PubMed studies published on wound care. There's a famous story of a gentleman named Tom Lloyd in New York that credits his leg being saved from a very aggressive flesh eating bacteria back in the late 90s. And the doctors were out of options, and someone on the team recommended they try manuka honey. The doctor said, hey, we're out of options here. We'll try anything at this point. Immediate dramatic reaction to response to the manuka honey made a complete recovery and and effectively saved his leg. So what ingredient is in manuka that's doing this this not in regular honey?
13:38 So that's a great question. And the simple answer is methylglyoxal. MG or MGO is the abbreviation that is the organic compound that is tested for that directly correlates with the health and wellness properties healing properties of manuka honey. However, it is not believed that it's the MGO or methyl glyoxal acting in isolation but acting in combination with the many complex other substances in the honey that creates these health effects. So that's where they don't believe you can just take methylglyoxal in a lab and use it and get the same result or benefit as you get by using the naturally occurring methylglyoxal in the honey. But that's the marker and that's what's tested and I know we'll talk shortly I'm sure on the lab testing the ratings and labeling system, which is really what everyone needs to know if they want to get a good product when they purchase manuka honey.
Ed Jones 14:43 Absolutely because I have certainly admit that I do have a lot of experience in product selection and being in this industry for four decades. It is let the buyer beware in every industry, but it certainly holds true in the Nutrition industry. It ranges from worthless to excellent, very rarely is there dangers involved. But if a product doesn't work, then there's certainly a danger that it didn't work. And if you're relying on things like this, you have to know how to shop wisely. And you educated me to a point, I certainly had no idea if a person is going to choose a manuka honey. What's the standards? What's the words they look for? How do they do this, and I and again, the name of your company is? Bees and Trees Manuka Honey. So they could Google they could go to your website, what is your website?
Mike Everly 15:37 It's beesandtrees.com
Ed Jones 15:42 Okay. And so tell us a little bit about how we can be more informed about making proper decisions on purchasing a for walking into a store. And we will mention at the end of this a way that you can order your brand of manuka honey, which I love. It is actually less expensive than most. And I'm 100% convinced of its quality from start to finish. But if they're out there shopping, you're standing there in the next hour at a shelf, what are they going to look for?
Mike Everly 16:08 Yeah, so what you want to look for is on the label, there's two legitimate ways to label Manuka Honey. You can either have the actual mg or MGO, that's the methyl glyoxal test result on the label. That's what we do. And from a, there's a range from about 100 to about five or 600, that you'll see methylglyoxal. And that's milligrams per kilogram. And that's your your very low to your very high activity Manuka honeys. They're also and this is where the confusion comes in. There's an equivalency scale, called the unique Manuka factor. And what's being tested is the methylglyoxal. That's what the independent labs will test for. They will read that result out though, on the UMF scale, as an equivalent as an equivalent rating. So a low UMF, honey is going to be about a five and a high is going to be about a 15. Now to be technically correct, if you're using letters UMF, there's also two other things that are tested for but for all intents and purposes, what you need to know is that it's an equivalency between that methylglyoxal test, and this UMF scale. So but the letters here's what's really important, the letters UMF need to proceed that five plus 10 plus or 15 plus and that's your range from about five on the low end to about 15 on the high end of the UMF Honey, what you will see often especially in the US market, especially if you go to any of the big grocery chains, or health food chains, you're going to see products that use a word like active and throw a number like 15 plus after it or bioactive and a number after it, or K factor and a number after it. Those are the products you absolutely want to stay away from what those products are choosing to do is say, we're going to make up our own system, not one that can be independently lab tested. There's no you know, the two independent labs in New Zealand, which are Hill Laboratories and Analytical Labs that do everybody's testing. You can't call them up or go on their website and say, How do I order and bioactivity test or a K factor test, those things don't exist. What they can test for is methylglyoxal. And they can give you that in a UMF rating, if you remember the EMF Association. So look for those letters UMF and then a number. And if you want a therapeutic result get at least a 10 plus on the UMF scale. And if you are going for or there's a methylglyoxal all the better if that's actually on the label, and you want to look for something at least a 250 or higher. We currently sell a medium activity that the current batches of 350 plus and we also sell a high activity. And that's a 550 plus on our current batch.
Ed Jones 19:03 what great information because now at least with the we know the words that if we see we will avoid those products, which are again, what was the rating words?
Mike Everly 19:14 Stay away from anything that says active or bioactive or K factor those those are your three red flag. If they if those words are on the front of the label. You want to say wait a minute, why is this using such a nebulous word?
Ed Jones 19:28 Yeah, yeah, marketing is slick all across the board. No doubt. I did do a podcast early on, which is probably about 40 ago which was called How to fight sickness. And on there, I know I've made a big point. Again, I'm repeating myself here. You have to have these things ready and waiting to utilize when the body needs it because in my experience in 41 years, we have somewhere around a 24 hour window of opportunity to kind of avert some of the heaviness of getting sick, and if you pass that and then you're like, I'm gonna wait till tomorrow to go get them manuka honey or the olive leaf or whatever you choose to do, you kind of blown your potential. So, again, I will keep manuka around as far as in my house and in my travels, it will be in my new kit for the emergency kit for not feeling well. Now how young of a child can use manuka honey?
Mike Everly 20:29 So Manuka as with any honey should not be given to a child under 12 months of age.
Ed Jones 20:36 And why is that?
Mike Everly 20:37 So? It is due to the risk of infant botulism. So all honeybees have a very low potential low risk factor for having botulism spores because they occur naturally, in the areas where bees forage, you know, for honeybees. For anyone over 12 months, your gut and digestive system is capable of just dealing with those spores and passing them right through. But an infant's digestive system is not well developed to deal with a botulism spores. So that should be on the warning for any honey sold the world over. It's It's It's a consistent. Yeah. Warning that should be there.
Ed Jones 21:23 And do you have any revelations about does manuka honey alter the microbiome? The good bacteria within the gut? Is it selective? Is it kind of gal going after the bad guys, but leaving the good guys intact? What's your feelings? Yeah, I've got to believe that it is because of the anecdotal evidence of how many people have gotten, you know, come back to us and said, wow, I've had an amazing result dealing with my, you know, gastric ulcer problem and starting to treat with manuka honey and how much better that's gotten, or my IBS, or my acid reflux. So I've got to believe that the the antibacterial properties are going after the bad, you know, microbes and leaving the good ones alone, as well, as I suspect, the anti inflammatory aspect. I think a lot of gut issues have an underlying cause and inflammation and chronic inflammation. And if the anti inflammatory properties of the honey are really possibly helping the the GI tract issues, as much as or more than the antibacterial properties. I love that. And you know, I speak of chronic inflammation, probably every other podcast, and I've never actually considered that manuka would be a potential for that. You talked about earlier about the fact that manuka, you know, test for this, the MGO. Here we go again, with that same full philosophical debate that conventional medicine has opposed to us in more than a functional medicine, holistic world is they want to really boil things down to a single molecule for a single purpose. So they want to look into anything, they don't care if it's from the rainforest, to where they're deriving a particular chemical, it's just in the lab, they want the one molecule. And they don't believe in synergy. They don't believe in an orchestrated power of combining the invisible magic that I respect nature for. And, you know, I can assure you, as you know, and everyone knows, if, if they haven't already done it, I'm surprised, you know, they will take an ingredient like manuka, try to find the one ingredient, isolate it, patent it, because you can't patent something that's natural, but you can patent it, if you pull the ingredient out. And then they'll have a huge price on it, then they'll you know, insurance will pay for the bandages and then all of a sudden, it's a $500 product or $1000 instead of a $5 product. So I want people to always believe in the power of nature, we truly have a pharmacy on this earth that is growing out of the dirt. That doesn't mean we just go pull things. We have to know what we're doing. But when you start altering the molecules, that's where the side effects come in. That's where the molecule is pushing the body into something totally not natural. It's forcing the body rather than nourishing the body and Manuka is a nourishing type of thing. And so but let's talk about price, Manuka is expensive right?
Mike Everly 24:37 It is. It is i would i would assume the world's most expensive, most expensive honey.
Ed Jones 24:43 And you go to New Zealand four times a year to monitor your hives and do the business of harvesting? Because again, you mentioned earlier New Zealand's the only place on earth where Manuka is grown. Is that right? Yeah, I mean Australia will argue they have something similar or they may even have a little bit of Manuka in Tasmania, which is the island off South Australia. But for all intents and purposes, all of the manuka substantive Manuka production is coming out of New Zealand. And it's where all the research has been done on the Manuka honeys. Wow. And I know you tell me about the trips and the, you know, it's pretty hard to travel those 24 hour plane flights since and the time change. You are truly a committed person to this path of Manuka and quality. And I noticed, actually, that your product, when I looked at the price was less than the many of the commercial brands.
Mike Everly 25:41 Well, we're able to bring a really good value proposition a really good price to the consumer. Because we're producing ourselves. We own our own hives, we own our own extraction operation, we own our own small packing line. We would be considered a small to medium producer by New Zealand standards. I got into this a little bit by accident when I was living with my family in New Zealand, right at 10 years ago. And, and now I travel now we're back in the States and I travel back and forth, as you said about four times a year to oversee the the operations there. I'll be going in about two weeks, we'll be checking on the health and strength of the bees. We're in our spring build up right now. And then I'll spend a lot of time December to March in New Zealand as we move our hives from their overwintering sites, which are on flatter land kind of easier access for us to get to, to look after the bees into our manuka cropping sites, which are quite remote in these areas that in some cases are in the middle of national forest or native forest reserves. In other cases, our land kind of bordering those bordering those reserves. Many of the hives will be flown by helicopter into these remote locations. There's no roads, getting back into these areas, and to really get a concentrated, high activity, high methylglyoxal content manuka honey, you've got to get your hives right in amongst where the Manuka trees are growing. A lot of people ask us the questions, well, how do you know the bees aren't foraging on other things? Which is a great question. And the answer is you don't, it's nature. And they're going to go out and find what's in the area. What you have to do is time at well. Don't put the hives in too early when other native plants are in flower. And then when the manuka put them in right as the manuka is starting and the two natives that flower right before that those are both finished by the time the manuka starts. And then you pull them out again as soon as the manuka is finished. And that's right before the other native which is rotta starts to starts to flower. So by getting into the right location at the right time, monitoring the season where you're looking at the weather, you're looking at the flower and we have scales that are hooked up via satellite on some of our hives. So we can actually watch the bees bringing the nectar in by the day. Those scales read four times a day and I can sit in Atlanta and look on my computer and see those numbers going up with the you know with the harvest. So you're watching that harvest, you're watching how the flow the honey, the nectar flow is and you're making decisions, you know, based on what's happening with the flower in the flow as to when those hives need to come out. So there's a lot to it which is one of the reasons why it's fairly expensive to to produce this honey.
Ed Jones 28:46 I love the story. I love the intimate details and anyone listening I think there's no one who would not feel confident in utilizing your particular product because you know, the big corporate worlds they have a place and I'm thankful for them in many regards. But when it comes to specialty items that require all these little nuances and these passions of doing it correctly, because it's too easy for purposes of greed and money to cut corners on everything. But I can see even in this storytelling, how many areas would be easy to cut corners just to produce the bottle. Now does it hurt the honeys active ingredients to heat it?
Mike Everly 29:30 Let me let me answer by saying this way we will not pasteurize our, any of our manuka honey and we also don't do a process called creaming or blending. So we're trying to heat our honey, the least we need to to make sure that we're able to extract it from the comb. And then after it's aged and all manuka honey will typically be aged from probably about 12 to 18 months in a drum before I get packed into the jar. And that has to do with the fact that the methylglyoxal content is actually increasing during that time. There's a precursor organic compound DHA dihydroxyasetatone, which is converting to MGO over that first kind of 12 to 18 months. So you're letting the honey kind of like a fine wine age or mature in the barrel. You've got to heat it up enough to just melt it out. So you can get it to, to where you can, where you can pack it. So it won't hurt manuka honey to you know, to dissolve it in your tea or your coffee, I don't like to have it boiling, I like to let the tea you know, steep and and cool a little before I put the manuka honey in, but you don't want to completely yeah, completely overheat it, and risk damaging some of those properties.
Ed Jones 30:51 Okay, that's wonderful. And, you know, for people who want to know more about this special magic potion of manuka. And again, I really truly encourage everyone who has a family, who has chronic issues, who wants to have a toolkit ready. Because if you don't, sometimes you'll have to access conventional remedies, which of course, as we know have far more side effects. If we can get a control of the out of balance issues far quicker than most of the time, we don't have to access chemicals. So that means you got to have it in the house, on your trips. And that's the thing when I travel, and I think everyone should be packing a combination of at least charcoal capsules, to get really sick and food and this and that you have take 10 charcoal capsules, one to two times a day. Always take olive leaf. Olive leaf to me is is kind of like manuka away and kind of not. And I will be taken manuka on all three of my trips. Tell people more about you know if they want to learn more about your website. And if they want to order some the two different ways that they can do that, Mike, because this has been very, very important and I just value the fact that you drove and traveled to come here to this podcast because you are sitting here in person. So tell them tell the listeners more about how to learn more and how to order it if they choose to. Yeah, so to learn more, I'd encourage you to go to our website. It's beesandtrees.com. And we tried to focus our website around education. We tried to lay out a lot of the information I've talked about in more detail about the testing and ratings and labeling and the history of manuka honey. We tried to link to a lot of PubMed, articles and research but you can also go into PubMed and search on the Manuka honey and a particular condition you have to go deeper in that regard. You can order manuka honey directly from us on our website, if you put in on checkout a discount code, which is use the letters THN: the holistic navigator at checkout and you'll receive a discount on your on your purchase, or you can go to nutritionw.com and order order direct from that source as well. It's awesome. Is there any last points you would like to leave the listeners with as far as information on manuka and again, your brand is called Bees and Trees correct? Bees and Trees Manuka Honey, it's in a glass jar, it can only be found on our website or at independent retailers. And mainly we're in the southeast and the Northeast right now making inroads up into into the Midwest. But really pay attention to what's on the label. Make sure if you're spending the money to get Manuka Honey, you're actually getting getting the real deal. And we haven't really talked about how good manuka honey can taste. A lot of Manuka honeys have a bit of a bite and a bit of an aftertaste. And I think that has to do with the blending that is common in the industry. A lot of producers will buy up barrels from all over New Zealand, blend them together. They're just trying to hit a certain activity level on that label. And I think you lose a lot and they'll add other honeys as well. As long as they keep that methylglyoxal content where they're targeting it. We don't do that. We do small batch production, the batches will change. Our current batches are 350. Plus, the next batch that comes out six months from now might be a 300 or a 280. And we're going to test that actual batch and put it on the label but our manuka honey tastes amazing and delicious. And so if you've tried manuka honey, and you're like gosh, yeah, it's kind of a medicine but I don't like the taste. You need to try ours and I think you'll find a big a big difference. I will amen to that. Because I've had many brands off and on over the years, and I look forward to consuming yours each and every morning. And the great thing is, you've got a product that is very effective for our health, too. It's wonderful to consume, it's easy, most kids would like it. And three, your brand is less retail was price than the other competitors. There's no reason to do anything in my opinion, but using the Bees and Trees manuka honey So, and I'm not I don't say things that are not true. So I'm giving you accolades and two thumbs up, Mike. And thank you so much for coming, and everyone listening. You know, Hippocrates, I've said it before the natural healing force within each of us, is the greatest force in getting well. Thank you for listening to The Holistic Navigator. Please hit subscribe if you haven't, that is the fuel that keeps us in the top ratings. And we are doing quite well and look forward to many other podcasts for the many, many more years. So I appreciate everyone send your questions in if you have any particular ones and we will do our best to answer those. Thank you have a wonderful and joyful day.
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“It posseses a very potent and a very broad spectrum anti-bacterial properties as well as anti-inflammatory properties. that’s what enables manuka honey to be effective with a host of wellness and healing issues and challenges.”
-MIKE EVERYLY, FOUNDER OF BEES & TREES MANUKA HONEY