All About the Thyroid
The thyroid. It’s the funny little gland in your neck (right at the base of your Adam’s apple) responsible for regulating metabolic rate and internal temperature. While these are the two functions most often associated, it also bears some responsibility for your heart rate, digestive function and weight control.
On this week's episode we're talking all about the little butterfly shaped gland in the neck that can cause loads of problems when it's not functioning properly. We talk about how to test thyroid health, supplements that can help support proper function, and how even some foods can be detrimental to your thyroid health.
Some Topics We Discussed:
What role does the thyroid play in the body? (1:32)
What happens if the thyroid isn’t functioning properly? (3:18)
How can you know for sure what your thyroid is doing? (7:07)
Are there people that are more susceptible to thyroid issues? (9:59)
What are some options that can help optimize thyroid function? (16:37)
Key Takeaways From This Episode:
One in eight women in their lifetime will be diagnosed with thyroid dysfunction. (2:11)
In the functional medicine world, a low thyroid would be anything with a TSH level over 2. In mainstream medicine, it’s more like 4.5. Meaning, functional medicine wants to address issues well before levels get too out of whack. (8:43)
The thyroid relies on iodine. (11:12)
There are some very healthy foods that can compete against your thyroid. (19:57)
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Brian Strickland 00:43 Hello, friends and welcome back to the Holistic Navigator Podcast, where we believe in the body's ability to heal itself. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'm Brian Strickland, the producer of the show. And here with me, as always is your host, Ed Jones. How's your week been so far?
Ed Jones 01:00 So far, so good, my friend. I got up this morning as normal and did my super drink and hit the gym.
Brian Strickland 01:07 So on today's episode, we're talking all about the thyroid. For those of you who don't know, the thyroid is a small gland located in your throat. It's one of those things that almost everyone has heard of. But there still seems to be a lot of confusion on the function of the thyroid, unless you're having difficulty with it. And then you're well aware of the problems that can occur. So let's go ahead and dive right into this conversation on the thyroid. Let's talk a little bit more about form and function. Can you give us a brief overview of what role the thyroid actually plays in our body?
Ed Jones 01:40 Yes, I will, Brian and, you know, I've been listening to health stories and questions for 40 years now. And I will say one of the most common if we knock out the questions about losing weight and fat that probably the third or fourth on the list is thyroid from women. Because women seem to have about 80% of all the diagnoseable thyroid issues will be found in women, one of the lucky things men don't have to deal with. But there are 20 million people who suffer from low thyroid and one in eight women in their lifetime will be diagnosed with thyroid dysfunction. The issue is that many many millions are walking around with a subclinical level of thyroid function not diagnosed because we are in a system that seems to not be on their game, I guess I would say to be kind. But you know, the primary function of a thyroid and you are exactly right is in the throat, it's it's near the Adam's apple. So if you know where that's at, you can almost feel if it was swollen or something. But you know, or have to know that the primary function of a thyroid is to regulate your metabolism. And it does that by controlling the rate at which the body converts oxygen and food to energy. Secondly, it keeps your body temperature correct. So those are the two main functions. And it is what I call the master metabolism controller metabolism not always meaning weight. But it has to do with energy and stamina and the your ability to maintain endurance.
Brian Strickland 03:18 So when functioning properly, the thyroid is responsible for producing metabolism hormones and maintaining your internal temperature. But what about when it's not functioning properly? I know I've heard the terms hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism thrown around. So could you give us a little more detail on what those actually mean?
Ed Jones 03:39 One of the most important discussions as far as thyroid function is the two words that are attached to any diagnosis one is hypo thyroidism. Hypo that is meaning low function. The opposite of course is hyper that means excessive levels of thyroid hormone. What happens if you have low levels? Well, there's a whole litany of possible conditions and symptoms one of which of course is fatigue. Because the thyroids purpose number one is to create a basic metabolism stability with proper temperature, it would be like running your car in Alaska and frigid temperatures of minus 20 degrees you know it's not going to start well nor run well and when you have hypo low thyroid fatigue is probably one of those most prevalent symptoms. But beyond that, sensitivity to cold, constipation, weight gain, that's not always true. Just because you're thin does not mean you don't have hypo thyroidism. Dry skin and believe it or not tangled hair, hair that you use to be able comb through, and now it's just as in knots all the time. And then of course, thinning hair or hair loss. It isn't the common cause of hair loss, but it can be a contributing factor, cramps, depression, dark circles under the eyes. And the thing that I look for very often when someone just starts asking me is the last 1/3 of the eyebrows are thinning, that will generally happen because of many reasons based on the hypothyroid. Now hyperthyroid of course, like I said stands for excessive is a far more dangerous condition as far as acute dangers of dying. Hypo makes you feel like you want to die, but hyper can actually kill you. Because what's happened is the thyroid is so overly functioning, that it runs your blood pressure up, give you actual eyes that are protruding. I think we've all seen people walking around with that. It also gives fatigue, very frequent bowel movements. Sometimes you have a visibly enlarged thyroid gland, which is a goiter. Hair loss, again is funny, you know many things in health. What's underactive and overactive can share the same symptoms. That's why this is very foolish to try to self diagnose just based on a symptom, you can have hand tremors, you can have itching, overall, you can have nausea. But the number one thing I see is palpitations and rapid heartbeat. If all of a sudden your resting pulse went from your normal of 70 to 90, it's a really decent sign that number one is you need to look into it. But number two is many times it's either too much medication, or your own body is causing you to be hyper, which is too much. And then lastly is weight loss. So we now know the hypo is low, hyper is high, but hypo is the one that 90% of all people are concerned with because it affects your quality of life.
Brian Strickland 07:07 So how can you know for sure, if you're dealing with an under or overactive thyroid gland, obviously, some symptoms will present themselves, but like you said, they aren't necessarily a reliable method of testing. So what accurate tests are available?
Ed Jones 07:23 I guess, you know, the average person thinks, well, if I have low thyroid, I'm gonna go to the doctor and I'll get a physical and then all of a sudden, you know, they'll tell me that I have a low thyroid, and they'll treat it. Sorry, but that's not the general case today. And I don't want to get too complex into the biochemistry. But the basic way that you diagnose a low thyroid, at the doctor's office is using blood testing. And I tell people this probably every day that their use of blood testing for thyroid, low thyroid is only moderately accurate. It just is moderately accurate, because what's can happen is you can have numbers that are in the range, and one of those numbers is called TSH. That is the normal blood value that almost every single person looks at to diagnose hypothyroid. Well, TSH stands for thyroid stimulating hormone. And what's happening is the pituitary and hypothalamus wants to send a signal to your thyroid if it senses that it's slow. And so when you have high numbers of TSH, and what we call that as an inverse relationship, when you have high numbers of TSH, it means that you have an indicator that your thyroid is low. So high TSH, low thyroid function. The problem is that the mainstream medical parameters for this number is outdated. A TSH would have to be above 4.5 in the mainstream world for that doc to say, you know, I think we need to consider you might have a low thyroid. Well, in the world of what we call functional medicine and functional nutrition, we will deal with a TSH of anything over two would be considered a red flag to then look further into the thyroid health. Well, what's happened and I've seen it for four decades is the women especially who have literally lost a decade or two of their life's quality, because the doc was waiting for the 2 to go to 2.5 to three to 3.5 to four to 4.5 many times it will can take 10 to 15 years for that to happen. Well along the way all of the symptoms or some of which come to the surface for these people should not have because it is not that difficult to help the thyroid to be healthy again.
Brian Strickland 09:59 So that Being said, and are there are there any specific people that are more susceptible to thyroid issues? And what are some of the underlying causes?
Ed Jones 10:10 Well, that's a great question, Brian. And you know, as far as people, of course, again, like I repeat, females are 80 to 90%, more likely to have a problem than males. But also, some studies have shown that three fourths of all bipolar people are very low in thyroid function. Now, it's one of those chicken in the egg thing, because many people who are bipolar and also people depressed, who seem to be able to regulate their thyroid fare far better than those who don't. And the sad thing is, again, because people who are being treated by mainstream medicine, they're not thinking of functional medicine, so they don't even look into the thyroid function unless is so acute. And then they might do something, but that's usually again, costing people a decade of life. As far as the reasons why there are a whole list of reasons why the thyroid may slow down. This is what I advise people and I have for many years, thyroid relies on a certain molecule we've all heard of called iodine. Iodine was added to salt back in probably the 40s and 50s. And I don is what makes the thyroid produce the rockson. Thyroxin is the active compound that tributes itself to the body temperature to all of the functions that create the metabolism that turns your food into energy and oxygen into what we need for fuel. So it's the gasoline that runs the thyroid. Well, there was many decades of this history of life where people were extremely deficient in iodine. And it became very obvious at that point, because it was so horrible. So they, you know, the government made a pretty wise decision based on the knowledge at hand at the moment in the 40s, to add iodine to salt. And it did eliminate a lot of these gross, significant deficiencies of iodine which did help. The issue is that we still are walking around with a great amount of iodine deficiencies. In many many cases, iodine is one of the most probably effective nutrients across the board to help maintain health, everything from cysts in the body to energy levels to skin health, energy to thinking ability, actually, children who are somewhat deficient in iodine will drop their IQ between eight and 15 points if they're not supplemented somewhere along in their early life and or pregnancy. 15 points of IQ I don't know about you, but I can't afford to lose any points, much less than eight to 15. And so, you know, again, why is this? Well, we know we've lost our our sometimes the connection with healthy food and healthy foods grown properly on the great soils on like they are now would give us many of the nutrients we used to have and we just don't do that. But really the bigger issue is that and you try to imagine this, the thyroid gland absorbs iodine in order to make the compound called t4. T4 is what will eventually turn into the active thyroxin. The issue is that there are guys that compete with this ability of our of iodine to do this what are they? fluoride, which is found of course in water, your and your toothpaste. Anytime you ingest fluoride, that molecule is going to rush into the receptor side of that thyroid and fill it. Well guess what, as the iodine comes passing through the next few hours is knocking on the door and nobody's answering. So it just floats on past because it's already been filled with another molecule. Secondly, bromine, what is bromine? Bromine is a chemical that's found in many, many different parts of our environment. But number one is in most breads. It has been found throughout my life, especially back in the Wonder Bread days. And you know, all the white stuff and things that we didn't even consider they use bromine to produce that bread. So we've had fluoride and bromine is two competitors, at least most of my life. Thirdly is we actually find bromine in drinks like Mountain Dew and Gatorade. They have bromine in them. All fire retardants have a type of bromine in it that again competes so when you sleep on your mattress, thank you to the government because we have to all breathe the fumes from fire retardant chemicals. Now, again, life is made up of risk against benefit, there is no perfect solution. Do you want your mattress to flame up? If you're smoking a cigarette and you drop it? No, you don't. So I'm not saying is the perfect solution is to eliminate fire retardants I'm just saying we need to be aware of that. But bromine is an endocrine disruptor, which means it's going to act like a almost hormone. So all of a sudden, we just simply can't absorb the iodine even if we intake it. So that's an issue. So all of a sudden your fuel for the T4, which has to be produced for your thyroid to function is no longer available.
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Ed Jones 16:41 Well, you have a couple options. What the mainstream medical option, if you were diagnosed is of course, just to be given a synthetic thyroid. The name, of course, is Synthroid. Synthroid has been around for quite some time. The issue with Synthroid is if it works, it's not the most devastating drug you can do it for you're probably the rest of your life without significant negative effects. Is it what we consider in functional medicine is a good approach? No. Why? Because Synthroid being synthetic will number one, weaken your own thyroids production. It will cripple any chance of that thyroid recuperating, is kind of like if I Are you tucking insulin, and you were not a diabetic and you did that for six months to a year, the feedback system would shut off your ability to make insulin and then all of a sudden, you're going to require insulin because you you tuck in it, tuck the insulin in for so long, that you have no choice and you have the inability to make it. So when you do that with synthetic chemicals is just is the price you pay. So what are the options? Well, medically, the option is you can supplement if you get a prescription from the right physician, armour desiccated or natureroid. These are two chemicals are actually not chemicals. They're natural prescriptions. And armor was first introduced in 1938. And it is from an animal and it's simply the gland of a thyroid. And what you can do is done properly with the right supervision. It's going to help support and at the same time replace what you are lacking. Is that my first recommendation? No, no, it's not because I do have great faith in the recuperative ability of our own human system. If we give it what it needs and remove what's harming it. How do we do that? Well, there are now the ability to purchase iodine in relatively very high doses. And why would you want to do that? Because again, we've explained the fact that iodine is the molecule that it's going to turn into the thyroxin. And if you supplement high doses as Dr. Brownstein, and if you'll Google Dr. Brownstein and iodine thyroid, I've met him before. He's a real innovator and genius and this conversation, you can read about the theory that if we can supplement with high doses for maybe six months, maybe even a year, it's going to clean out the bromine and fluoride from those receptor sites, potentially no guarantee of it. But if a person takes between 12.5 and 50 milligrams of good quality iodine per day, it may have the ability to clean those receptor sites out and then allow more functioning of that thyroid. So bullet point number one, if a person really knows that they have the low levels, is you might consider becoming knowledgeable on this iodine issue. Now the other parts of this puzzle what do we do about diet, because is there foods that are causing some reduced thyroid function, there actually is. And believe it or not, most of these are very healthy. There are certain foods that compete against the ability of thyroxin. And all of these I really liked. Now keep in mind, these would have to be done in very high levels. But there are people who juice these. And that's what I would consider high levels. So if you have the symptoms of low thyroid, keep in mind that bok choy, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, mustard greens, any soy, and turnips can compete against the production of thyroxin. Now, I'm not going to give up eating my cauliflower or my cabbage or my broccoli, but those people making huge amounts of kale, if you have symptoms, you might want to experiment and reconsider that. Now back and I don't mean to backtrack too much, again, we talked about the fact that if you go to mainstream, you get a blood test, you look for what's called the TSH. And in the mainstream world, if you're above 4.5, they're gonna say your low thyroid, that won't happen usually for a decade or two. So you want to be cognizant of the fact that if it's two and over, you want to talk to somebody about some options with this. However, the second test, which I value greatly, is the home temperature test, what you do is, and I've been talking about this for about 20 years, if you combine the blood test and the temperature test, that's where you'll get the really solid information about the truth whether your thyroid is optimal or not, you're going to take it the monitor. Now back in the old days, it was mercury. Now we don't have those around. So you'll get a good digital, don't buy the cheapest one out there at least get middle of the road, you're going to put it next to your bed. Three mornings in a row when you wake up, do not sit up, because sitting up is going to activate the thyroid. So you're going to reach over with your arm, you're going to pick up your thermometer, and you're going to take your temperature and then you're going to write it down. 97.8 is the marker. If you are considerably under 97.8 your thyroids not working, it doesn't matter what anybody says about your blood work. It would be like somebody saying I pumped all the high octane fuel in your car. So you should be able to go and you say won't start. It doesn't matter about the fuel. So if you have low temperatures of 97 96.5, and everybody else says it looks like you're okay, well, you need to reconsider that because it's not doing his job. And when you have a low temperature, it is not conducive to you failing, well, if nothing else. And it's going to make you sensitive to cold, I have been a person who has had low temperatures most of my life and I've braised it to the highest level I can through the use of iodine and a few other things. So if you have a low temperature 97.8 and below and also one other point of this, if you are a menstruating woman, you the best accurate numbers are found on day three, four and five of your period. It isn't absolutely necessary to do that. But I like it best if you can do it on day three, four and five. So you let's just say you've done the bloodwork you've gone to the right person, you've done your temperature, you have some of these symptoms. What do I do because it's obvious that I have some subclinical low thyroid function again, you have as a resort always know that armor desiccated is an option that will work. However, I like to try to rejuvenate the gland first, like I said, with iodine, so consider taking somewhere between three and 25 milligrams per day of iodine to clear and clean the thyroid out. If you feel comfortable with that there is some controversy surrounding it. I'm pretty comfortable with three to 12 milligrams, I'm not so comfortable unless you're super super knowledgeable and being supervised above that level. And the reason is about one out of every 200 people in my estimation can actually turn from an hypo, which we remember as being low to a hyper, which is of course excessive levels and we don't want that to happen. If you are self monitoring, do the resting pulse rate and it will be very, very clear. Because if you go excessive, you're gonna start sweating, anxiety, you won't sleep and you'll feel heart palpitations. Now the other big part to this conversation that has to be embraced without being too complex here, again, we've spoke about the T4 molecule that is what your body will make from the iodine. But that's not the end of this story, the body has to convert t4 to the active compound t3. T3 is the thing that the cell will pick up, that will make it work as a regulator of your thyroid and your temperature and your health. T4 really can't do it. So what is the reason? Well, there are converting factors that make the T four, convert to T three, what are they? You know, what, if you're low in selenium, zinc, and tyrosine, those three nutrients is what makes the T4 convert to T3. Now, many people are simply deficient. And you know, if you're not doing a overall supplement protocol, or if even if you are, look and say if you have 100 to 200 milligrams of selenium, make sure that you're not iron deficient, because anemia can cause that also, and make sure you have between 10 and 30 milligrams of zinc. And again, the downside, the zinc, if you do too much is going to suppress the thyroid. So it's all about the balance that we speak up often as far as health and nutrition. And again, of course, the iodine. And then lastly, tyrosine, which is not going to be found in your normal supplement protocol would have to be either purchased separately, or bought into a formula, which there are many good companies that have produced formulas that have all of these, and you just simply take two pills a day. So as you do these steps, you can monitor your temperature. If you do the converting factors I just spoke of do it for a month, see if your temperature goes up at all, it may be all that you will need, then you could do this, they are done in high doses, keep monitoring the temperature, if that's working, you stick with it. If it isn't, in three months, you go visit a functional medicine professional and talk to them about doing armor desiccated and then know that you will raise your temperature because the body almost does not have any options in in that because it's going to give the body exactly what the thyroid would have made in its perfect state.
Brian Strickland 27:30 What about any lifestyle changes? I mean, beyond supplementing or or supplementing with certain nutrients? Are there any simple solutions like that people should adhere to?
Ed Jones 27:41 Well, the word simple is what is makes it more difficult because it's not simple. You know, I've spoke on here before about leaky gut, and glyphosate. And a lot of that Leads Leads itself back to gluten, because gluten can be a true competitor of thyroid health. And you know, we all kind of sometimes think well, the Bible has spoke a lot about the grains and breads, that was a different type of molecule back then we did not poison it with the use of the, you know, the changing of the DNA, and the glyphosates and the over farming and the pesticides. Now I'm a person who has gone without gluten for a long time. But I actually eat some now, because I use a product that protects me from that. And you can listen on one of my other podcast on glyphosate to learn what that product is I drink it before every meal, and it blocks the effects of gluten and glyphosate. It doesn't block it for celiac people, but it blocks devastation to my health and many people's when they are going to ingest it. I actually do it before every meal because I truly believe leaky gut is at the root of so many of our issues. And I'm not going to explain that now. But you certainly can go back to past shows and listen to that.
Brian Strickland 29:05 I've even had friends that have traveled overseas that were either gluten intolerant or had a you know, an adverse reaction to it. And they can go to places like Italy and all over Europe and they ate all the pasta and the bread that they wanted and had zero reaction to it. And that just gives you a small idea of just you know how contaminated our products really are or can be.
Ed Jones 29:30 I love that story because we seem to think we own all the information and knowledge in this country of USA. And it almost seems to be the opposite sometimes because we've lost our connection to common sense and wisdom as far as foods and health. Now, one point bullet point I really really want to make that very few people are speaking of is the issue of biotin many have heard of the vitamin biotin because a lot of women take it for hair growth. If you go to a dermatologist and you say, I'm losing my hair is thinning, what vitamins Should I take nine out of 10 of them will say I want you to go get some biotin, usually 5000 micrograms to 10,000. It's all good. Except one thing. If you're taking biotin, in two weeks prior to getting a blood test for your thyroid, you are going to have in accurate readings, they're going to be too high, or they're going to be too low, there is no single way to know your real truth. with blood testing. If you are doing biotin at anything above a multivitamin level, if you're doing a good multivitamin, you should be fine. But those extra pills of bieten, you have to be off for two weeks, you can ask 100 Doc's right now, and maybe three out of 100 would even know this. So keep that in mind two weeks off before you get the blood test. And secondly, TSH, which again is the gold standard can fluctuate, you could get three TSH is in three days, and you're going to have some fluctuation. So don't let someone super medicate you simply because of one reading. If someone wants to do that, I encourage you to get at least two or three on separate days and perhaps separate times of day to end in to ensure that you're getting accurate, accurate information.
Brian Strickland 31:33 Ed, beyond the selenium, zinc, iodine, all the ones that you've mentioned, I know that there are formulas out there that can help improve thyroid function that may contain some different herbs and nutrients. Are there any specific ingredients that people should be looking for or any specific that they should be staying away from?
Ed Jones 31:55 Absolutely, Brian, and the one list of vital ingredients is of course, having at least a small amount of iodine in a formula, selenium of at least 100 micrograms zinc of 10 to 30. And then tyrosine. Now, that's the basic. And there's nothing wrong with doing that, because that's going to help you convert t four to T three and maybe make a little more thyroxin. However, I have seen in the studies are starting to grow on the use of actually, the tumeric is helping and the reason it helps is because it's reducing the chemical damage within the thyroid. So much of what happens as we age is really a cumulation of damage. And you know, when you start to have mitochondrial dysfunction, or you have poisons, or you have pesticides, you know, when you're young, there's no, you have no feelings or effects of it until a kind of I use the term the cup runs over, then you'll start having the symptoms. And that of course is about 40 to 50 years old in most cases. So if we can start this early, the protective effect, like using tumeric, and of course eating the cleanest foods we can, you're going to hopefully buy yourself some decades of quality life now. ashwagandha is one of my absolute go twos for so many people. Why is that? Because it helps you to be able better able to handle stress is called an adaptogen adaptogen is going to strengthen your ability to stay robust during stressful periods. And they also did a study on rodents that it also increases a T four to T three, conversion somewhat, which has just been recently found out. But the other thing about ashwagandha is we know that one of the biggest demons to your thyroid is cortisol. Cortisol is secreted by the adrenal glands and it is made because of stress. It is the fight and flight type of hormone. And you know, back in the days of nature and jungle and much quieter period of time, we might have had something to run from. I don't know even if it was every other day. I doubt it was that often. But today we're doing it with every you know many text messages and phones and works and all the things in cars so it's just constant and it wears the gland out. But it's making all this cortisol which then weakens the thyroid gland that ashwagandha has the ability to help negate some of that. And I tell people this often if you take an herb or any nutrient protocol, and you truly start feeling better, which you should if you do it right, don't let that being an excuse to go into Superman or Superwoman mode. Again, you're just digging deeper holes so you start feeling better. Don't get that to do list down and just keep adding to it. recover your body tality that's what's going to carry you through till you're older like me 62. Now, I always take one milligram of iodine every day. one milligram. That's not that high dose, but I also don't really have any significant issues. My blood work is fine. My temperatures always been somewhat low, but I've got it where you know everything's functioning correctly. I have a great head of hair. I don't have the thinning eyebrows. I don't have the constipation. I don't have all the symptoms that go with it. If I did, I would do other things, but I don't. So I'm a fan of every single person using one milligram to two milligrams a day of iodine.
Brian Strickland 35:41 Is iodine that you would find like in another formula that you might be taking or is that something that's typically separate?
Ed Jones 35:48 You know, everyone who's taking a lot of supplements could look on their label and should because you probably are getting potentially a half a milligram which is 500 micrograms. Keep in mind 1000 micrograms is one milligram. So if you look on your multivitamin is 400 or 500 micrograms, then you know you're doing half a milligram you might want to do a little more. However, we do know you are getting some from food. My daughter is pregnant right now with her first child. I asked her at lunch today I said, Cady, how much I don Are you getting? She said I'm getting 400 micrograms in supplemental form. However, I've been at their house, I know how they cook. They do extremely well with getting the very best quality organic foods and they believe in using Celtic and Himalayan salts. And I'm glad I actually mentioned that because I want to say, don't fall for the myth that Morton's iodized salt will supply your needs. First off, the salt itself is so highly processed, that is equal almost to white sugar to me. So don't rely on that for your source. Do it from whole foods like the kind of real salts Celtic salt and Himalayan that I'm speaking about. Or you can actually get coconut water which has a decent amount of sodium in it. So rely on nature, not some chemical process from a factory. Alright everyone, that's a wrap for this episode. We hope you have learned some helpful things but as always, if you have questions, please shoot us an email. And thank you for listening and remember, as Hippocrates said, if a doctor cannot do good, he must be kept from doing harm. Have a great and healthy week, my friends.
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